Oregon.

[rover]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/01/03/armed-militia-bundy-brothers-take-over-federal-building-in-rural-oregon/

[bowclan]

Been reading about it. Could get very ugly SOON!

[Harry Henderson]

These guys are on par with the retarded sovereign citizen crowd. I was partially sympathetic to the BLM argument of the Bundy group, even though it was basically tax evasion. This has to do with a court case of arson, and not a federal gov't interference. I can assure you this has nothing to do with invasive species, and everything to do with the "this is my land" mentality.

At this point, they are the domestic version of ISIS, taking territory, making their own rules that they like, and defying the ruling gov't. All they are doing to federal ranching is what has been done to federal farming, causing more scrutiny and less future availability for others.

[Smudge]

People like capt fancypants do more harm than good on 1St impressions alone.

[Mayaca]

I liked his duds. I think the desert camo is stunning against the snow. You guys are just haters.

[Mogli]

These guys are on par with the retarded sovereign citizen crowd. I was partially sympathetic to the BLM argument of the Bundy group, even though it was basically tax evasion. This has to do with a court case of arson, and not a federal gov't interference. I can assure you this has nothing to do with invasive species, and everything to do with the "this is my land" mentality.

At this point, they are the domestic version of ISIS, taking territory, making their own rules that they like, and defying the ruling gov't. All they are doing to federal ranching is what has been done to federal farming, causing more scrutiny and less future availability for others.

The charge of arson is hogwash. Arson needs intent and that fire was not intentionally set for the purpose of destruction and terror from everything I've been reading. I've also read that they set that fire to stop a wildfire from getting out of control and may have saved millions of acres from burning.

I've also been reading that the Hammonds do not desire the militia there and they are mostly (all?) from out of state and were not called to help. So really, the taking of the wildlife refuge is for reasons other than about the Hammonds in my opinion.

But there's so much propaganda on all sides that I recognize I do not have the full truth regarding any of it.

From my point of view, the feds have been encroaching on more and more land for various reason and need to be stopped. They already own more than 1/2 of the West. There are also rumors that they've collateralized some of the national parks and other federally owned land for the national debt. It's ridiculous for a run-away, power hungry, federal govt. to own this much land especially when they're not fiscally accountable. We haven't had a budget since that clown Obama got into office. The entire fed is a BAD, BAD joke which very well may have deadly consequences.

YMMV

[Admin]

Heres a good article.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-militia-oregon-20160103-story.html

"On Saturday night, after a coordinated and peaceful protest of more than 100 people, a group of at least 15 men, some of them armed, broke off and occupied a federal wildlife refuge, blocked its entryway and declared themselves its rightful owners.
They remained there Sunday night, bundled against freezing temperatures and holding their position in one of the most direct provocations yet of the federal government, and one that has so far gone unchallenged.....cont."

[dudeman]

Godspeed to the freedom fighters.

[Admin]

If these were Muslim Americans I suspect most supporters would be singing a different tune. This is basically domestic terrorism disguised as "constitutional" advocacy.

[gamgee]

I can't comment on an ongoing situation.

[rover]

I've been away from the news. Anything new develope on this?.... Mogli?

[rover]

If these were Muslim Americans I suspect most supporters would be singing a different tune. This is basically domestic terrorism disguised as "constitutional" advocacy.

This is a federal land grab by the BLM on innocent people. Nothing about it is right.
A controlled burn to save your land is terrorism. Someone is fucked in the head or stupid or evil...

[gamgee]

If we look at the recent past as an indication of what would happen if these were Muslim terrorists, there would be some dead bodies.

[Mayaca]

If we look at the recent past as an indication of what would happen if these were Muslim terrorists, there would be some dead bodies.

If these were muslim TERRORIST then yes... there should be. If these guys fire on LEO, then yes there should be. But if this ends as a protest, then why should it be treated any differently than when the students take over a college campus in protest?

[rover]

This is the beginning of "push back" from years of inept government regulations. It will get worse by years end I think. A lot worse.