SCOTUS just shit on the 4th amendment

[Chip Douglas]

https://www.salon.com/2016/06/20/police_can_use_illegally_obtained_evidence_in_court_scotus_rules_sabotaging_4th_amendment/

The Fourth Amendment protects Americans from unreasonable searches and seizures.

“Do not be soothed by the opinion’s technical language: This case allows the police to stop you on the street, demand your identification, and check it for outstanding traffic warrants — even if you are doing nothing wrong,” Sotomayor said.

“If the officer discovers a warrant for a fine you forgot to pay, courts will now excuse his illegal stop and will admit into evidence anything he happens to find by searching you after arresting you on the warrant,” she added.

“Because the Fourth Amendment should prohibit, not permit, such misconduct, I dissent.”

Sotomayor’s dissent was joined by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Justice Elena Kagan also filed a dissent.

Clarence Thomas, the most right-wing Supreme Court justice, supported the ruling, arguing that it does not violate the Fourth Amendment.

[Mayaca]

Not cool.

[bowclan]

Riff Raff hanging around on the streets are the ones that need to worry.

[Smudge]

This is probably the first time since my ban I've been tempted to go post on SB, purely for the reaction it'd get.

[Mayaca]

Riff Raff hanging around on the streets are the ones that need to worry.

No, I disagree. That is where a justification comes from, but it assumes all LEO are above board and only trying to "Get the bad guy". I am very pro LEO, but I would never claim that all are equal.


I was stopped when I was about 30, leaving a pool hall at 2am closing time. The cop pulled in behind me and followed me from the parking lot across the street.

A few miles down the road he pulled me over. He asked me if I had been drinking. I answered no, can you tell me why I was pulled over? He replied "dont tell me you are leaving a bar at 2am and havent been drinking."

I repeated "Officer, can you tell me why you pulled me over?"

He said "How about I give you a field sobriety test and look take a look in your vehicle? Or do you want to cooperate and tell me how much you have had to drink?"

"I haven't had anything to drink sir, please tell my why you pulled me over?" (At this time, I had flipped open my phone and his dial. It rang my parent's house.

The guy was a bully and a douche. He kept threatening me, but never did tell me to get out of the car.


I finally asked him to call a supervisor while holding the flip phone up. He glared at me and said he couldn't believe I had left the bar that late and hadn't drank anything.

I said "If you were trying to get me for gambling, you might have a case. But I was playing pool for money and when I do that, I don't drink. Now one last time before I have my pop call our lawyer.... WHY DID YOU PULL ME OVER?"

He said "You swerved over the middle line." I said "I did not, and I guarantee when we have your supervisor review your dash cam, it will show it."


He cussed me up one side and down the other told me I was a smartass and could go to jail for my attitude alone. I just sat there shocked at him. Eventually he said "I am writing you a warning for careless driving."

He did, I kept it in case I heard back from him.


If it had been a few miles down the road, we would have been in my county, and I would have been in the Sheriff's office 8am Monday, but it was the next county over which was known to be dirty. So I dropped it.

But a guy like that is exactly why the fourth amendment is still relevant.

[Steve28]

No, I disagree. That is where a justification comes from, but it assumes all LEO are above board and only trying to "Get the bad guy". I am very pro LEO, but I would never claim that all are equal.


I was stopped when I was about 30, leaving a pool hall at 2am closing time. The cop pulled in behind me and followed me from the parking lot across the street.

A few miles down the road he pulled me over. He asked me if I had been drinking. I answered no, can you tell me why I was pulled over? He replied "dont tell me you are leaving a bar at 2am and havent been drinking."

I repeated "Officer, can you tell me why you pulled me over?"

He said "How about I give you a field sobriety test and look take a look in your vehicle? Or do you want to cooperate and tell me how much you have had to drink?"

"I haven't had anything to drink sir, please tell my why you pulled me over?" (At this time, I had flipped open my phone and his dial. It rang my parent's house.

The guy was a bully and a douche. He kept threatening me, but never did tell me to get out of the car.


I finally asked him to call a supervisor while holding the flip phone up. He glared at me and said he couldn't believe I had left the bar that late and hadn't drank anything.

I said "If you were trying to get me for gambling, you might have a case. But I was playing pool for money and when I do that, I don't drink. Now one last time before I have my pop call our lawyer.... WHY DID YOU PULL ME OVER?"

He said "You swerved over the middle line." I said "I did not, and I guarantee when we have your supervisor review your dash cam, it will show it."


He cussed me up one side and down the other told me I was a smartass and could go to jail for my attitude alone. I just sat there shocked at him. Eventually he said "I am writing you a warning for careless driving."

He did, I kept it in case I heard back from him.


If it had been a few miles down the road, we would have been in my county, and I would have been in the Sheriff's office 8am Monday, but it was the next county over which was known to be dirty. So I dropped it.

But a guy like that is exactly why the fourth amendment is still relevant.

I had a thing like that happen, except in Canada. I pulled out on the highway, left, and a guy almost smashed into me. Behind him was a cop who turned on his lights. Cop was going the other way though, so I pulled over onto the shoulder so he could get himself turned around and catch up to me.

Cop finally catches up to me and walks up to the window. I spoke first because I like to take charge and shit. In Canada taking charge is being the first to apologize.

Me: Sorry, eh? I totally misjudged how close that car was.

Cop: Yeah, eh? That guy in font of me almost hit his brakes, eh?

Cop: You got your license and insurance, eh?

Me: Yeah, you want to see them?

Cop: No, just be more careful, eh?

Me: Yes officer, thanks eh?

Okay, maybe that's not the same.

[UnderTheStars]

The 4th amendment is slowly being eroded to a piece of worthless paper.

Mayaca, you handled that well. He was strong-arming you and you didn't flinch. Every person driving (and apparently just walking the street based on the article here) should know their rights, what's allowed, what's not allowed, the correct questions to ask the officer...

http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2013/07/civil-rights-during-a-traffic-stop-5-reminders.html

I passed my field sobriety test which is good, because I was drinking -not much, but probably enough that I really shouldn't have been driving. The adrenaline kicked in. Reckless yoot.

[UnderTheStars]

I had a thing like that happen, except in Canada. I pulled out on the highway, left, and a guy almost smashed into me. Behind him was a cop who turned on his lights. Cop was going the other way though, so I pulled over onto the shoulder so he could get himself turned around and catch up to me.

Cop finally catches up to me and walks up to the window. I spoke first because I like to take charge and shit. In Canada taking charge is being the first to apologize.

Me: Sorry, eh? I totally misjudged how close that car was.

Cop: Yeah, eh? That guy in font of me almost hit his brakes, eh?

Cop: You got your license and insurance, eh?

Me: Yeah, you want to see them?

Cop: No, just be more careful, eh?

Me: Yes officer, thanks eh?

Okay, maybe that's not the same.

Funny stuff, Steve

[Night]

My maiden name was the same as a police officer in my county. I was constantly pulled over because I have a lead foot. They'd ask for my license, see the name and call me Mrs X and tell me to be more careful. It was hilarious

[Chip Douglas]

[Mayaca]

Mrs X

Is that an Amish name?

[Night]

Is that an Amish name?

Sure

[Guest]

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What a giant load of horse shit.

[rab]

I can't wait to get a self driving car. They would never legally have a reason to pull me over. Unless I tell the robot to speed.

[dudeman]

I can't wait to get a self driving car. They would never legally have a reason to pull me over. Unless I tell the robot to speed.

Dude got killed in Florida back in may. His auto pilot Tesla drove right through a semi.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/07/01/tesla-driver-using-autopilot-feature-killed-by-tractor-trailer/